Premier Sports availability?

[Ja3k]

I Pay For Sky Glass And Viaplay For My TV Upstairs Tryed To Find Premier Sports On Sky Glass Then Called Them They Said It's Not Available Then I Checked Amazon Prime To Find It For 15 Quid If I Cancel My Premier For Sky Q Will I Still Get My Premier Upstairs If I Took Out Premier Sports On Amazon Prime Note I Do Have Prime Already Please Help Me

[Hunter2660]

You'll have to watch via Amazon Prime only.

[Jason+Golding]

The argument about these channels ( premier sports, that's tv, talking pictures tv to name a few) is constantly " that will be a decision for the broadcaster inferring it's not Skys decision doesn't ring true with me.  All of these channels are available on virgin media's stream service - this suggests to me that the issue is with Sky and not the third party broadcaster - in actual fact about 6 weeks ago - VM upgraded their stream service to replicate the channels on their standard cable 360 service, they even include all the +1 channels. Sky in my honest opinion either don't want these channels on their stream service or are making the commercial terms uneconomical for them, otherwise why would they all be on virgin stream ? 

[IWTD]

@Jason+Golding Their are on Virgin Stream because Virgin handle the billing, Sky do not and you have to provide a viewing card number which stream does not have, if you have BT broadband and pay them for TNT and move from Q the entitlement carries over, if you try and take out a new TNT subscription through BT and already have Stream they will not let you, it's simply either Premier don't want to hand over a piece of the pie and allow Sky to handle the billing, or Sky don't want to handle the billing. 

[Jason+Golding]

yes maybe in the case of premier sports - your argument doesn't hold up though for channels such as 

That's tv 

Talking Pictires tv 

all the + 1 channels

Now 70's Now 80's 

none of the above and many others are available on virgin stream and not sky stream - the constant argument is that the reasoning is down to the third party broadcaster - clearly this isn't the case as they are all on virgin stream - none of these channels are paid channels - 

secondly in the case of channels such as premier sports - sky are part of a multi billion pound organisation - why can't they handle their billing ? 

sorry can't agree 

[mikealanr]

The other thing with Virgin Vs Sky Stream is the fact that Virgin requires you to have virgin broadband. This may mean virgin handles the encoding and delivery for these channels over its own network. Given that Sky works with any broadband, it may require the broadcaster to use a Content Delivery Network or other standards via a 3rd party cloud provider, this may be uneconomical or technically unobtainable for smaller broadcasters.

MikeAlanR

[Jason+Golding]

So why would premier allow virgin to handle billing and not sky?? Virgin doenst have a viewing card system. Virgin stream faciliattes this, strengthens my argument that the ball is in skys court 

[Jason+Golding]

@mikealanr Your tech reasonining may be valid may be not. But i get fed up with the same people on here saying its the fault of the third party broadcaster like premier, thats tv and talking pictures as to why they arent on sky stream - when it clearly isnt if they are on virgin stream - now this may well be technical reasons, financial or the fact that sky just doesnt want them on their platform but it clearly isnt the fault of the third party broadcaster and this is my point - thats it

[IWTD]

I have never been a Virgin customer so may be wrong on this but I believe they have always handled billing for channels that are 3rd party on Sky satellite its the opposite, it's just a continuation if they want to be on the Virgin platform, whereas with Sky it's the opposite.

This part is just pure speculation on my part but I think Sky's long term future is as a isp that offers tv as a add on, essentially what Virgin stream is with discounts for the more you take out, Sky likely want to handle the billing, but from Premiers viewpoint it probably doesn't make financial sense to allow them as being extremely conservative 90-95% of Sky tv customers will still be receiving it through satellite, in theory all Sky need to do is create some kind of virtual viewing card that allows third parties to require that Sky activate and deactivate access as required yet Sky don't. 

As for +1 channels it's 2024 who the hell needs them on a service provided through broadband, between the catch up and cloud recording all they do is clutter up the tv guide. 

[MarkGoldsmith]

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@Jason+Golding wrote:

@mikealanr Your tech reasonining may be valid may be not. But i get fed up with the same people on here saying its the fault of the third party broadcaster like premier, thats tv and talking pictures as to why they arent on sky stream - when it clearly isnt if they are on virgin stream - now this may well be technical reasons, financial or the fact that sky just doesnt want them on their platform but it clearly isnt the fault of the third party broadcaster and this is my point - thats it

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Well for all we know its likely a combination of all the points raised. I would say that perhaps some of the channels missing our down to Sky and some could likely be down to the broadcaster not being willing to implement certain technological standards or processes to match Skys requirements for their platform.

Some of the smaller broadcasters may not have the financial backing to make the technological investments that Sky require to be part of their platform.

When it comes to Premeir Sport I wonder if this is something that will come. Don't forget these were recently Viaplay channels which were sold back to Premier Sports so it could be the case there were issues/limitations with Viaplay that perhaps won't be as big an issue to sort (I.e the billing) with Premier Sports.

[Jason+Golding]

@MarkGoldsmith @Name me a channel with smaller financial backing than talking pictures tv, they're on virgin stream. 

[mikealanr]

With the greatest respect @Jason+Golding. I refer back to my previous point. They are on virgin stream that is delivered via a closed virgin network. Virgin may take their uplink to the cable TV network and encode it and deliver it to stream on behalf of them because it's a closed network.

Maybe because Sky is open to other isps or due to policy they won't provide the same service. There are many threads where you are going around in a loop!

Why don't you ask talking pictures tv why they are on virgin stream but not Sky? The only factual thing that can be stated is ONLY the channels listed on sky's website are available: https://www.sky.com/help/articles/tv-channel-list-sky-glass

Think this thread has run its course.

MikeAlanR

[ThePope27]

It's in the pipeline,

I spoke to someone at premier sports the other and was advised that Sky are in talks since the switch over from Viaplay to Premier about supplying it to stream, my thoughts are the subscription will be the same as Sky Q apart from using the box serial number instead of viewing card number.

Premier Sports is already available in ROI on sky stream.

[gszab1]

That would be really great, thanks for the info. As i know Premier Sports can be directly ordered from Sky in ROI. Not sure if Sky is willing to open up the Stream platform like they did the satellite platform quite a while ago.

[ThePope27]

At the minute Sky allow all the third party companies for example dazn premier sports racing tv etc to push entitlements to cards to access those particular channels, I don't think there is anything built yet to allow third parties to push entitlements to the stream/glass