14 Jul 2024 06:02 PM
I have had a Sky Stream puck for 5 days now and I have some initial thoughts on it as a product and from the perspective of someone who has done UAT as part of previous roles in the tech industry. I can confidently say having also used an AppleTV 4K, a FireTV and AndroidTV the Stream Puck does beat the latter two but mostly comes up short against the AppleTV 4K, although beating it in one area: Stream support HLG which AppleTV does not. None of the below are absolute deal breakers however if I do keep the stream puck it will likely only be for liveTV and Sky content and keep AppleTV 4K for everything else.
Apologies If these have been brought up already, hopefully if I'm not a lone voice, maybe sky will address those which will deliver a decent return on the CAPEX.
Possible solutions:
Finally, one option which could fix all of the above in a stroke is leveraging AppleTV hardware. It is a core function within tvOS so not specific to Sky/Comcast but would allow the AppleTV 4K to essentially become the next stream puck, thereby saving on hardware and software development costs. This is something Sky's parent company Comcast do in the US and EE TV does here in the UK. Sky could ship the AppleTV boxes to customers so all they have to do is create an Apple ID if they don't have one already and bang, all the channels, TV guide, on demand etc are already there. Or users could chose to use their own AppleTV box and sign in using their email and password. Obviously there is never going to be a one size fits all option, which I suspect is why there's Sky Glass and Sky Stream. Personally, if I was the product owner, I would ditch the expense of developing expensive hardware and just offer the Stream as a service through a tie in with AppleTV, Having not used Sky Glass I can't really comment but the reviews I have seen so far have not been overly gushing when it comes to picture quality on the Glass although they have improved since the initial release.
The Sky Glass reviews to go to show how much work needs to go into this sort of thing and why, using a piece of hardware that already has good reviews and has the functionality you need seems like a way to improve CSAT whilst reducing development costs and drive more users to your service.
Anyway, none of this is meant to sound like, URGH it's all bloody rubbish, I do quicte like the service albeit, it does still feel like a work in progress. But kudos to Sky for looking to the future and being cognisant that DSAT isn't going to be around forever as more and more folks move over to IPTV solutions as it's easier and doesn't require a dish.
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14 Jul 2024 08:51 PM
1) we're on 500mbps fibre and the OS is zippy with no hanging.
2) apps load quickly and in a comparable time to the native ones on our Samsung QLED.
3) Voice search works fine providing you speak clearly and keep the button pressed.
4) either check your settings or get a better TV because the picture quality is outstanding.
5) E.U. regulations re power savings. It doesn't take a lot of effort to jiggle the remote. I've done it twice during the football tonight and I imagine that I'll have to do it again soon .. thank christ I get an on screen prompt.
Solutions..
1) if you think you can do better than Comcasts fleet of programmers, apply for a job with one of the worlds largest broadcast companies.
2) as above
3) it works, you're just not using it properly.
4) it's a Xumo box and is sold around the world and is praised for it's picture quality. Check your settings or buy a better tv.
5) they can't do this as it's an E.U. directive that has been as adopted by the UK.
14 Jul 2024 09:54 PM
@Nigelb1972 Apologies it wasn't my intent to annoy anyone with my post, just trying to offer constructive feedback.
I hope you are managing to enjoy the football, and what is left of the weekend. 🙂
14 Jul 2024 10:09 PM - last edited: 14 Jul 2024 10:14 PM
Posted by a Superuser, not a Sky employee. Find out more@Neil-C I'll be honest not read all your post as a bit tl;dr but just as an FYI we are fellow subscribers on the forum, not Sky. There isnt any certainty that your post will be read by them.
However i have a glass and 4 pucks and like @Nigelb1972 genuinely don't experience hanging (on some occasions and a restart usually fixes). It would be interesting to see who your ISP is as I do agree, there are so many variations that Sky can't account for them all and experience seems to vary massively based on router capability and connection speed.
MikeAlanR
14 Jul 2024 10:52 PM
@mikealanr I'm with Virgin media on the gigabit package. Although not for long as we're moving to a narrowboat so will be using starlink. It's little things like if I'm being indecisive and I'm looking at a few different sections or going from live tv to the guide it seems to slow down. It's noticeable but not fatal, if that makes sense. The router is about 1M away and doing a speed test from that location I'm getting just over 800Mbps.
The other main letdown is compared to the latest AppleTV 4Kon the same TV, the picture isn't quite as good especially on HD content. However this isn't a surprise as the picture in general and the up scaling the AppleTV is some of the best I've seen anywhere.
I am surprised they haven't gone down the route of offering the option of using the AppleTV functionality allowing pay TV providers to supply their service via Apple as Comcast in the US do and from what I hear it's pretty bloody good although no first hand experience of it.
15 Jul 2024 08:31 AM
Posted by a Superuser, not a Sky employee. Find out more@Neil-C thank you for a thoughtful post
First point is you are right that the Stream puck is essentially a thin client with most processing being carried out on remote servers. It. Is therefore essential that the puck has both sufficent bandwidth (around 30Mb/s if you want to watch in UHD) and just as important a feed free from interference which can cause packet loss. Symptoms like laggy OS, buffering etc indicate that you may want to look into improving the connection for your puck. However as always there is in evitable lag on thin client systems bedore the server can respond this is particukarly noticeable when using trick play.
App loading speed is something Sky are working in but they have limited control over third party apps like iPlayer which in my experience is one of the worst offenders and I know from atrending briefings that this is an area they have not given up on.
Your crticism of voice search is unusual I find it both fast and efficent and searches within most app libraries as well as Sky's own. However like all systems it does require speaking clearly and holding the remote in front of your face and getting used to its inevitable foibles.
Picture quality is another unusual criticsm. Hopefully you have set up your TV's input correctly as like most modern streaming systems many picture processing systems on modern TVs can worsen the picture often doing the opposite of what is intended e.g. motion improvement causing juddering, sharpness ausing ege effects so as a start try setting your TV to a setting like Movie preset or similar with minimal processing applied. Apple TV is often referred to, especially by one poster who appears repeatedly with multiple ids, but you are comparing a unit that costs £150 with one costing a few pounds so hardly a fair comparison especially around upscaling..
Power saving is unfortunately a regulatory requirement for modern set top boxes and we and Sky arexstuck with that.
15 Jul 2024 08:56 AM - last edited: 15 Jul 2024 09:04 AM
@Neil-C Apple TV boxes are superior streaming devices BUT they can't be used as Sky Pucks ... you can access most of Sky's broadcast channels using a Apple TV box using the Sky GO app and access them using the TV Launcher app on the Apple TV box😉
Will you be moving to NOWTV when you move to your narrow boat?
15 Jul 2024 09:08 AM
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@Neil-C wrote:
I am surprised they haven't gone down the route of offering the option of using the AppleTV functionality allowing pay TV providers to supply their service via Apple as Comcast in the US do and from what I hear it's pretty bloody good although no first hand experience of it.
Effectively they do, with Sky Go Comcast on Apple in the US is the Xfinity app, not native Xfinity.
15 Jul 2024 09:26 AM
@Nigelb1972 wrote:5) E.U. regulations re power savings. It doesn't take a lot of effort to jiggle the remote. I've done it twice during the football tonight and I imagine that I'll have to do it again soon .. thank christ I get an on screen prompt.
5) they can't do this as it's an E.U. directive that has been as adopted by the UK.
The EU regulation just requires devices to go into standby after a "reasonable" period. There is no exact time period set, for many TVs it is 4 hours and this can be changed or disabled by the user.
15 Jul 2024 09:34 AM
Turn energy saving off completely would be against Sky's strong and commendable Green agenda😉
15 Jul 2024 11:35 AM
Posted by a Superuser, not a Sky employee. Find out more@Neil-C you mention moving to a narrow boat which could present issues as Sky require the pucks to only be used at the account holders residential address which definitely excludes use in a touring caravan or motor home but could include a houseboat assuming it had a street address. This leads me to think Stream is not paricularly suited to your use case and perhaps an Apple TV with a Now TV sub be a better fit? You can cancel without charge in thecfirst 31 days.
Regarding internet speeds it is perfectly possible to have gigabit speeds at the router but still have poor wifi signal at the puck if using WiFi.
15 Jul 2024 07:47 PM
@Exiled-in-HH We will likely stick with Sky as we will be able to use a family address for the official residential location with Starlink for the broadband, I've been assured by sky tech support that this will work... So, we will see! hahaha. If it all goes to pot we can use Now, it's just a bummer it doesn't have 4K, and all the channels.
15 Jul 2024 07:49 PM
I know wiggling the remote isn't a massive thing but surely the timeout could be made content aware, so, if you're watching a spoting event or a film, it would give you a longer timeout than if you're watching a soap or quiz show etc.
15 Jul 2024 10:05 PM
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@Neil-C wrote:I know wiggling the remote isn't a massive thing but surely the timeout could be made content aware, so, if you're watching a spoting event or a film, it would give you a longer timeout than if you're watching a soap or quiz show etc.
It should do, If left idle on a screen or paused its 10 minutes, if you have something being actively watched its should be a couple of hours before the "pick up the remote or press a button" banner gets displayed.
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16 Jul 2024 07:10 AM
If you are watching the TV there should be no issue responding to the on screen prompt🤔