Discussion topic: Illogical full fibre pricing
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Message posted on 14 Aug 2024 01:09 PM
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Illogical full fibre pricing
The current advertised monthly cost of Sky Full Fibre Broadband doesn't make much sense to me -
Fibre 100 £41
Fibre 145 £28
Fibre 300 £40
Fibre 500 £34
Fibre Gigabyte £44
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Message posted on 14 Aug 2024 02:09 PM - last edited: 14 Aug 2024 02:23 PM
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Re: Illogical full fibre pricing
That's correct, because it's based both on somewhat illogical wholesale pricing and sales psychology: for example having 500Mbs as a cheaper option then permits upselling to gigabit at the end of the initial minimum contract term as a renewal.
Openreach/BT Wholesale are incentivising ISPs to resell as much fibre as possible because this pushes the national rollout along and helps towards the huge infrastructure investment required. Incremental speed increase on an existing fibre circuit actually only has marginal (if any) additional cost to the supplier.
BT Halo 3+ Ultrafast FTTP (500Mbs), BT Smart Hub 2
Message posted on 17 Oct 2024 12:11 PM
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Re: Illogical full fibre pricing
A new company can supply 900bps for £29 plus £10 anytime time call's
latest offer from Sky 900 £69 plus £14 calls
is it me or is Sky priced off the planet !
Openreach I changing very soon to Full Fibre, what happens to our copper broadband?
anyone know please .
Message posted on 17 Oct 2024 12:20 PM
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Re: Illogical full fibre pricing
Can I ask what company that is? Its likely to be an altnet, these companies burst into the market, spend millions on building their own infrastructure and on board customers as unsustainable price points so that they can please the shareholders with high numbers before they either go bankrupt or up the price after your intial contract period.
Granted the price for Sky at £69pm is silly high though.
Your copper broadband will remain until you decide to upgrade to full fibre. At that point your copper line gets disconnected at the cabinet/exchange and becomes redundant.
Myself & Others offer our time to help others, please be respectful.
Message posted on 17 Oct 2024 12:24 PM
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Re: Illogical full fibre pricing
@Ian2240 wrote:
A new company can supply 900bps for £29 plus £10 anytime time call's
An altnet can choose to do so because they don't have to cover wholesale rental: as @jamesn123 indicates the business model is to burn through startup and venture capital to lay cable and gain subscribers as fast as possible, without worrying if that's sustainable long term.
BT Halo 3+ Ultrafast FTTP (500Mbs), BT Smart Hub 2
Message posted on 19 Oct 2024 03:09 PM
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Re: Illogical full fibre pricing
What about the fortune selling on old copper wire ?
Message posted on 19 Oct 2024 03:12 PM - last edited: 19 Oct 2024 03:15 PM
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Re: Illogical full fibre pricing
Hugely offset by the recovery and recycling cost: each individual phone pair is a small amount of metal coated with plastic.
There's likely to be some money in exchange hardware and backbone cable.
BT Halo 3+ Ultrafast FTTP (500Mbs), BT Smart Hub 2
Message posted on 19 Oct 2024 03:57 PM
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Re: Illogical full fibre pricing
Oh come we taking the country billions of mts of copper
Message posted on 19 Oct 2024 04:04 PM
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/sep/29/bt-recycling-deal-surplus-copper-cables
Bt/openreach have already received £105 million
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Message posted on 19 Oct 2024 05:10 PM - last edited: 19 Oct 2024 05:13 PM
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Re: Illogical full fibre pricing
And if large amounts become available, the price goes down.
There are estimates of some billions of pounds of potential value globally, but that relies on a high demand price and typically fudges recovery costs and the difficulty of recycling in bulk (particularly getting rid of all that plastic without being hugely polluting)
Even if Openreach go down that route, I doubt it will be more than a fractional offset of the cost of the national FTTP rollout (given in that article as £15 billion, with perhaps a tenth of that in potentially recoverable copper)
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