Call Charges Under VOIP Ultrafast Broadband

[GD1]

@Sarky+T  You mean over wifi?  Not the same thing.

[Sarky+T]

True but the call goes over the internet.. The method of connection is neither here nor there.. It's still using the internet protocol.

[Sarky+T]

It's a setting on your phone.. When you lack signal the phone uses your wifi connection.

[GD1]

@Sarky+T  But your a not Using VOIP on your mobile it is wifi calling, there are 2 seperate things regardless of what you assume them to be.

[Mark39]

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@Sarky+T wrote:

True but the call goes over the internet.. The method of connection is neither here nor there.. It's still using the internet protocol.

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Calls over Sky VOIP break out to the landline network. They're only carried over broadband up to a point.

[Sarky+T]

So does my mobile!! If I am calling a landline then the call has to use the landline.. It is the exact same process.. If I call a lindline from my mobile over voip, it takes the same route as plugging my analogue into the router and making the same call. So, why is one free and the other not?

[GD1]

@Sarky+T  Question has already been answered in the thread prior to your post.

[Mark39]

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@Sarky+T wrote:

So does my mobile!! If I am calling a landline then the call has to use the landline..

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And the cost of,the call depends on your mobile call package.

[Thet]

I have found the best thing for me is not to make outward going calls through VOIP on the house phone and just receive incoming calls through VOIP on the house phone, which are free of charge. All outgoing calls are now made on our mobile phones which have unlimited free calls any way.

[theincubus]

Presumably because Openreach charge heavily for use of their network to protect their own business.

[Ken.A]

It is not really correct to say VOIP calls terminate on the analogue network. The whole purpose of VOIP is to by pass the legacy analoge network

[Mark39]

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@Ken.A wrote:

It is not really correct to say VOIP calls terminate on the analogue network. 

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It's completely correct that all calls to me and to all other non VOIP end consumers are received via the landline network.

Whether or not calls from Sky VOIP to another Sky VOIP customer break out to the landline network at some point, I wouldn't know.

[Tottenham+n17]

The free part is the phone plan as it is pay as you talk you are charged for your calls and not the price plan

[peterg......]

Some very clever bean counters and racketeers marketeers at sky,

how can they offer a free package and only charge 22p per minute?

Anyone want to guess?

Generalizing here, regarding sky pay as you talk, plan is free, calls are 22p per minute, compared to typical sip packages, under £5 per month, some at that with 100 minutes included, call rates to uk landlines sub 2p per min.

So, half hour of sky payt calls at 22p more than covers a typical sip plan monthly charge

Now for skys icing on their cake,

skys percentage markup on price per minute over typical sip call rate.

Hint: You can calculate your markup using this formula:

Find your gross profit. To work this out you have to minus your cost from your price.

Divide your gross profit by your cost. You'll then have your markup.

To turn it into a percentage, simply multiply it by 100, that's your markup %.

(lets be really generous and assume skys per minute costs are equal to a sip providers selling rate(by the way, that includes sip providers profits))

22 - 2 = 20

20 / 2 = 10 = Markup

Markup x 100 = Markup Percentage

10 x 100 = Markup Percentage = 1000%

If your happy paying 22p for sub 2p call,  jog on; personally, when the time comes were going to bite the bullet and pay the £30 to port our long time landlie number to a sip provider.

Plus, with softphones, enjoy the portability of a landline on our moblies.

A short time hit for a long term gain

[Mark39]

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@peterg...... wrote:

Some very clever bean counters and racketeers marketeers at sky,

how can they offer a free package and only charge 22p per minute?

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As you say - marketing speak. Unlike the other Sky Talk packages, Sky PAYT is 'free' in the sense that there's no monthly subscription cost.