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This message was authored by Annie+UK This message was authored by: Annie+UK

Re: On demand download failure Sky+ on 2 boxes

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@Irish-Steve No issue here with the forum/community speed using Firefox

Annie, I am Neurodivergent — My Sky FAQs: Plus • Glass / Stream
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Re: On demand download failure Sky+ on 2 boxes


@MogwaiSatTV wrote:

Sadly my router seems to not have the function to delete the DNS cache.

So I think what I may try next is to use Plusnet's router in place of my fibre modem and put my current mesh system in Bridge mode and see if this helps.


@MogwaiSatTV 

Did Amplifi confirm this to you (about a factory reset not clearing internal cache)?

Did you try using the Plusnet router and having Amplifi in bridge mode?

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Re: On demand download failure Sky+ on 2 boxes

@pkjp Amplifi said there was nothing in the ui to allow the  DNS cache to be cleared. I don't really want to factory reset it anyway.

I might try switching it into bridge mode and using the plusnet modem/router rather than just a modem that I have now. But last time I tried this the devices connected via ethernet to the plustnet router could not communicate with the devices connected via wifi to the mesh system which meant I could not print.

The only setting it did have was one to bypass the dns on the router and go straight out ot the DNS server on the internet. But doing that did not resolve it either.

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Re: On demand download failure Sky+ on 2 boxes

Reading all these posts makes me think there's more to it than a DNS lookup issue. The final nail in that coffin is where @MogwaiSatTV says his router allows the DNS on the router to be bypassed and he still has the issue.

 

here's what I have tried - and none of it worked.

  • All of the various rebuild planner, force download, factory reset that you can do on the SKY+HD box
  • All the combinations of DNS settings you can think of: Google DNS on the router, Cloudflare, ISP defaults - with and without the same changes on the SKY+HD box.
  • Flush DNS? Well my Netgear WNR2200 doesn't have a 'flush DNS' option but I know that it does act as a DNS relay - which is another way of saying DNS Cache. So, I have:
    • Restarted the Router
    • Switched the router off for a couple of hours
    • Done a factory reset of the router
    • Reverted to a previous Firmware to make sure the firmware has really been flashed
    • Tried changing the IGMP setting (which can be used for TV broadcasts - though not sure if it is used for sky catchup-downloads)
    • Increasingly more desparate attempts - disabled RIP (you don't really need it for a simple Home Network)

None of that made any difference.

 

So, I dug out the old BT Hub3 that cam e originally with my Inifinity service.

And that works.

 

Reverting back to the Netgear 2200 - same problem.

 

If this was just a DNS issue my Netgear would be working (as it was a few months ago). I can only guess that there is more to this  change that Sky has done than changing the IP address of the CDN. Something that is incompatible with my router.

 

Does anyone else have a Netgear WNR2200 router? And is it working for you?

 

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Re: On demand download failure Sky+ on 2 boxes

I get the impression that the common fix is that it's not the routers that are incompatible but that the fix is to use "another router". 

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Re: On demand download failure Sky+ on 2 boxes

I am beginning to think that as whatever config change they made 4 months ago. That they may have accidentally added the customer boxes / router or whatever info the have at their end that where. connected at the time to some sort of block list in a firewall or similar.

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Re: On demand download failure Sky+ on 2 boxes

Can't see them accidentally blocking the Customer Sky box - otherewise switching to another router wouldn't fix the issue.

 

One other thing I tried was to spoof the MAC address. I changed  the MAC Address on my non-working Netgear to the MAC address of the working BT Hub.

 

Didn't work. Same issue. Which is wierd. As far as the Sky end is concerned it would have seen the same SKY Box and the same working BT router. But it didn't work.

 

So I think we can rule out some kind of Router Identity blocking.

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Re: On demand download failure Sky+ on 2 boxes


@Thaab wrote:

Can't see them accidentally blocking the Customer Sky box - otherewise switching to another router wouldn't fix the issue.

 

One other thing I tried was to spoof the MAC address. I changed  the MAC Address on my non-working Netgear to the MAC address of the working BT Hub.

 

Didn't work. Same issue. Which is wierd. As far as the Sky end is concerned it would have seen the same SKY Box and the same working BT router. But it didn't work.

 

So I think we can rule out some kind of Router Identity blocking.


Maybe.

Sky box, router, MAC, DNS, ISP, IP etc etc ad infinitum... How about an issue with viewing cards/accounts combined with other hardware details? If you want to end a service subtly you sample part of the the population by degrading their experience and note the result (cancel/switch/don't care). If it looks good from a business point of view then you expand the degredation.

 

I will now be labelled a conspiracy theorist (by one of the resident 'super users', no doubt (as I have been before)) but given all the posted testing by some clearly savy tech people, you have to wonder why Sky can't figure it out. They are either incompetent or disingenuous.

 

A bit fed up here. I like LIVE cricket and F1 so I will cancel at the end of the summer if no resolution.

 

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Re: On demand download failure Sky+ on 2 boxes

@Thaabsorry, not having a go at you. Appreciate the input!!

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Re: On demand download failure Sky+ on 2 boxes

Given the way this is starting to look, I am wondering if the relevant files that are offered for download on demand are held on Sky servers, or if there is an issue where the files are held on the copyright owner's server, and linked to from the Sky system.

 

This issue has only raised it's head for me since Sky changed the way they are broadcasting Stargate, it was being broadcast over satellite on Sky Sci Fi, and to be able to skip advertising, I record it and time shift, but it's not there at the moment, for reasons best known to them, they stopped with several episodes of Series 8 still to be broadcast,

 

The entire genre is available 'on demand' on Sky Max, or to be more specific, it should be, but it's not being downloaded, even though it's there to select.

 

More4, which is not a sky channel, is being downloaded OK, or in order to be specific, I was able to download an edition of Mat Baker's series, and immediately after that, I tried the Stargate edition I wanted, and got the broadband failure message.

 

On that basis, it HAS to be something screwed up in the Sky server configuration, or in the way it's trying to find the specific program I'm looking for, it's not the broadband (also Sky) , and it's not as such the link into the Sky download system, otherwise ALL downloads would be failing, so on that basis, it has to be a configuration issue of some sort, or a screwed up cache somewhere on the Sky system, and it can't resolve it correctly.

 

What may also be relevant is that the Irish user Sky site is also screwed up in a number of areas, and despite signing in to the site, and making sure that I've got the Irish Site rather than the UK site, I'm getting UK pages rendered, and that's making it impossible to find the correct contact phone numbers for Sky, as it's giving UK numbers, which are not accessible from Ireland, and things like the complaints 'contact us' page are missing, which means that at present the only way to contact Sky Ireland is either facebook or Whatsapp, and I absolutely will not waste hours of my time dealing with something that could be properly dealt with in minutes by a real person rather than a multi tasking rep who's not going to be able to fully concentrate on one issue at a time, the last time I did something like this with Sky, I wasted nearly 2 hours on a chat window, and still didn't get a valid resolution, so I'm not playing that stupid game again.

 

It's looking to me at the moment as if a server that's caching significant parts of the sky library has somehow got massively corrupted, and is not giving correct or valid information, I hit an issue like this some years ago with E-Bay, and it took several days before I was able to get to a higher support level in the ISP that was providing the local service, including local cache services for E-Bay, and they found a server in their configuration that had massively corrupted, but wasn't throwing errors, and they ended up having to change their cache system to take the server out of their system, and rebuild it, which took nearly a week to do, and this issue is beginning to look very similar, and finding it is going to take a good network engineer to find it, and I am wondering if they've lost some of their key people, and the ones that are left are struggling, badly, and it's the end user that's caught in the middle of a quagmire that's only getting worse.

 

Shore, if twas easy we'd all be doin it!
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Re: On demand download failure Sky+ on 2 boxes

After the updates were announced my boxes stars working again for around 2 weeks but today I found they stopped downloading again. Got the boxes on static ip adresses and found that changing the dns from the same as the gateway/router to 8.8.8.8 made downloads work again. Not sure why as this is same as the routers dns?

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Re: On demand download failure Sky+ on 2 boxes

DNS 1.1.1.1

 

gateway router is different 

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Re: On demand download failure Sky+ on 2 boxes


@Madsforit wrote:

DNS 1.1.1.1

 

gateway router is different 


Sorry that was for @Kirsty+S27 

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Re: On demand download failure Sky+ on 2 boxes

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@Madsforit wrote:

DNS 1.1.1.1

 

gateway router is different 


Hi @Madsforit 

 

Thank you for providing this, can I ask you do reset your DNS for me please. 

To do this -> press services -> Network -> press the green button -> once into the DNS & Gateway router page press the red button (this will reset your DNS and both DNS and Gateway Router should match) -> Press green to save your settings 

 

Once you have done this can you retry downloading content on the box and let me know the outcome please. (you may need to reboot your box after saving the settings)

 

Thank you.

Kirsty

Community Manager
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Re: On demand download failure Sky+ on 2 boxes

Hi - when I do that it's not showing anything in the IP address (---.---.---.---) so I can't save settings and gateway router and dns still saying the same?

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