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How to rename 2.4ghz on new white max hub

Since move to sky new white max hub from BT my canon printer will not connect to internet as also my Imou life camera won't connect.

How do I rename the 2.4ghz 

 


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Re: How to rename 2.4ghz on new white max hub

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It's not possible to unsynchronize the two bands on the Max Hub. Temporarily disabling 5Ghz is a crude workaround to try and get IoT and other devices associated correctly, and the default encryption may need reducing from WPA3 to WPA2.

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This message was authored by: TimmyBGood Answer

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@Andrew6789 

 

It's not possible to unsynchronize the two bands on the Max Hub. Temporarily disabling 5Ghz is a crude workaround to try and get IoT and other devices associated correctly, and the default encryption may need reducing from WPA3 to WPA2.

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Out of interest did you remedy?

I understand that Canon is recommending splitting the SSID for the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands, but I’m not convinced that’s the real issue here... It seems an odd one to me:

I assume the Canon printer only supports 2.4GHz Wi-Fi?

This means that it iterally cannot connect to, interact with, or become aware of a network on the 5GHz band by itself. 

A device that only is able to scan 2.4GHz does not even know the 5GHz band or any networks on that band exist. Hence, it is hard to see how having the same name for both 2.4GHz and 5GHz would confuse the printer. It should just connect to the 2.4GHz network, as this is the only network it can see, and off it goes, educating all on the imporance of genuine ink cartridges around the clock. 

The real issue is likely something else, like:
1. Printer may not support modern security standards of encryption. WPA3 is the latest standard to protect the WiFi password from attackers. It was released in 2018, yet many devices have not been updated by their retrospective vendors  6 years later. 

It used to be ISPs allowed us to downgrade our networks to what is frankly insecure. Then Apple began placing "WEAK SECURITY" warnings below the network names in the wifi connections list, meaning ISP's had their name / brand associated with "WEAK SECURITY" & screenshots of this all over social media. 

Some ISP's e.g. TalkTalk actually had 4 models configured, for all customers, in a mode that triggered "WEAK SECURITY" popups for iphone uses on the day it went live. 

Nowadays, ISP's just say no. 

2. It could also be WiFI standards, "AX standard"(AKA WiFi 6) applies to the 2.4GHz band also. 

This was released 2019. If the device is 5 years behind the curve in its knowledge, and has no awareness of WiFi 6 being a thing, it will not even recognise it as a network. It will not show in the list at all. It will show other networks (if they are WiFi 5 or older), but it wont show your WiFi 6 network. 

So, this really feels like a bandaid or an excuse. What they probably mean is that they have not invested in necessary security updates for years on years, and now they're not able to see a secure network (despite having 5 / 6 years to get there). They're acting like it came out last week 🙂 

You could investigate 1. Downgrading to WPA2. I am unsure if possible *assume it is possible*. This may weaken security to a degree. Realistically most people are not aware of how to compromise a network, but still - it's always a bigger risk to lower security. 

2. Downgrade the network from WiFi 6 (AX) standard to WiFi 5 or older (prob shows up as AC mode). E.g. Instead of selecting AX/AC/N/G/B mode select something like AC/N/G/B (losing the AX means we lose the latest and greatest standard). This means we set the network to the pefromance of an older and less speedy standard. 

3. If using a Canon setup programme, disable the firewall before you run the programme. FW's and printer setup utilities = BAD. 

 

4. I beleive Sky facilitate disabling 5GHz via MySky app, it reduces network performance and settings, meaning it cannot be enabled again via app easily. However pin reset would take you back to factory settings (and hopefully once printers connected once it'll stay connected).

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Re: How to rename 2.4ghz on new white max hub

Follow up: Indeed there is info on lowering security mode to WPA2 here: https://www.sky.com/help/articles/change-wifi-max-hub-settings 

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Re: How to rename 2.4ghz on new white max hub

 had same thing happen my cams would not work when i was with digiweb. they gave me two logins one for 5 and one for 2.4 whicth i renamed myself ...that is why i am now going back to digiweb.  it might cost a little more but i like things to run smooth whicth it always did when i was with them  

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Re: How to rename 2.4ghz on new white max hub

When a router broadcasts both 2.4GHz and 5GHz signals under the same name, it's simply transmitting two networks simultaneously—one on each frequency. Devices that support both bands recognize this and typically opt for the faster 5GHz connection if the signal is strong enough. Older devices that display both networks can confuse users, leading to misconceptions like "someone has hacked my WiFi." Meanwhile, devices that only support 2.4GHz are completely unaware of the 5GHz signal and connect to 2.4GHz as if the other network doesn’t exist.


The idea that naming both bands the same could break connections for devices that don’t support 5GHz is flawed. A device incapable of detecting 5GHz is unaffected by its presence; it functions as if only a 2.4GHz network exists. Industry best practices recommend using a single SSID name, allowing devices to switch between bands seamlessly for optimal performance. SKY, for instance, benefits from this approach when streaming high-bandwidth content like 4K video. If SSIDs are split, devices using WPS push-button pairing may mistakenly connect to the 2.4GHz network, missing out on the superior speed of 5GHz.

 

The 2.4GHz band is congested—not just with WiFi but also Bluetooth (used by TV remotes, headphones, printers, smart bulbs, and more), baby monitors, microwave ovens, and neighboring networks. This is why manually selecting a 2.4GHz channel is often a bad idea. A channel that appears "free" may be packed with non-WiFi devices using the spectrum constantly, leading to interference. For example, if AirPods are streaming music on the same channel as WiFi, both signals must retransmit data multiple times due to conflicts. This wastes bandwidth, drains battery life, generates heat, and degrades device performance.

 

If a device refuses to connect to a 2.4GHz network, the issue lies in its compatibility with that 2.4GHz network, not in the presence of 5GHz. Many older or poorly designed devices fail to support WPA3, despite it being a year -old security standard. If a security camera requires WPA2 (introduced in 2004) to function, that raises serious concerns about the manufacturer’s commitment to security updates.

 

Misconceptions such as this bother me. It's the same people that buy into these notions that also buy into concepts such as a nearby phone mast is higher radiation than one far away, when, in reality, the phone in their hand is the bigger concern. When a mast is far away, phones must transmit their data multiple times (as interference increases with distance meaning the original transmission doesn't reach the mast). This happens at maximum power to try and enaure it reaches the mast, increasing radiation exposure, battery drain, and heat. A nearby mast allows phones to operate at lower power with fewer transmissions, making radiation exposure lower, not higher. When data is slow, this is because it's being retransmitted over and over and over to get through just once. 

Applying this to a school setting, if a mast is distant and signal is weak, every student's phone in a classroom is working overtime, all transmitting at max power, with data being resent multiple times. The radiation from 30 phones in close proximity, reflecting off insulated walls, far exceeds what would occur if a mast were nearby. A strong signal means phones transmit once, at lower power, and then remain idle except for occasional check-ins.

 

For dual-band devices a single SSID means, the choice between 2.4GHz and 5GHz depends on signal strength. If 5GHz is above -68dBm (around two bars on iOS), the device will prefer it. Below -75dBm (around where the bars flip flop between 1 and 2 on iOS), it switches to 2.4GHz. Below -75 interference means there will be retransmissions, this increases wastage and now every device with good signal has to wait for the bad device to finish up sending the same thing say 7x over and over. Hence whilst the device with bad signal may itself show a better speed on 5GHz with low signal, it's not worth the knock on impact it has on slowing down every other device on that band. Rather, moving it to 2.4GHz means it may be slower but there's not all of these retransmissions (as 2.4 has stronger signal), and other devices remain able to benefit from 5GHz speeds. Allowing the network to manage this flow is much more likely to ensure overall good performance than manually doing it, where one bad apple stuck on the 5GHz band will make everything slow.


ultinatwly - Devices on 2.4GHz only see one network, even if a 5GHz one exists with the same name.

 

applogies on my long post but these invalid notions need to be explained so that we can do away with these repeated posts that only misinform and further perpetuate disinformation that leads to users having bad experiences down the line. 

a classic sign of retransmissions are zoom / teams / FaceTime calls breaking up. The breaking up is because a live call cannot retransmit 50 times and still be live. It would mean when you speak, it takes several seconds to get to the other person in the call. Hence it goes silent when retransmissions exceed around 120ms (1024ms in a second). 

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