Discussion topic: FTTP install in flat - can cable be run along ceiling?
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Message posted on 26 Jun 2025 11:41 PM
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Re: FTTP install in flat - can cable be run along ceiling?
Yes, my hub in the router maintenance screen shows as connection for downloads and uploads of 978. But not seeing that just yet connection wise so assuming it's probably just a traffic congestion issue - although I was under the impression that with FTTP that traffic congestion was meant to be a thing of the past and slow downs etc wouldn't occur but assume that isn't the case.
also with the sky max router, is that meant to be faster wifi speed wise I mean? But I've not read great things about it, seems to be a lot of people with issues with drop outs etc so thinking its best to stick with the router I have. Also they didn't incorporate the sky q mesh system with that router so assume it may not work as well with the sky q system.
Message posted on 27 Jun 2025 10:14 AM
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Re: FTTP install in flat - can cable be run along ceiling?
@Daveyboy1234 The sky Max has been sorted for sky Q connection 1 main and 1 mini i beleive and it does get such a bad Rap, have never used so really cannot comment personally WILL never ever again rely on a hub where you have to use a mobile app for control had it with EE and such a bad experience at least they had a 50-50 chance but boy when the app don't play you are doing nothing, also below from the OR blurb about the Fibre, there is only so much that they can shove down there vastly quicker and HUGE speed Fibre but at the end off the day, speed is just what it is, can be a pain and this minimum HUGE pinch off salt with that, as long as you get and no one is complaining!
1. FTTP is a contended service, up to 32 users can be sharing the 2.5Gb backhaul, so you can never expect the full speed all the time, you may get 900mb when there are fewer people using it. I expect that you are sharing the backhaul with many users. If everyone was using it fully, you may only get 78mbs. Its called statistical multiplexing, which relies on the fact that all users are not utilising their connection fully, all of the time.
BT quote up to 900mb, so you are likely to get much less than that during peak times.
Speed tests pass very little data, so normally give a much higher speed.
2. The max OR connect to a splitter is 30 ( 32 is the splitter maximum but policy is 30 ) not every CBT port provided is likely to have a customer using it , so unless on a ‘new site’ that has no alternatives to OR FTTP the actual number on a splitter is likely to be way less , OR currently have about a 30% take up, so maybe 10 users per splitter , plus the majority don’t take 900Mb but slower profiles , and the chances of those ‘on line ‘ at any one time all and doing something intensive, rather than browsing / Netflix that may be consuming less than 30-100Mb , is slim , that’s why there is a 700Mb minimum speed guarantee on 900Mb …..the 2.4Gb will be plenty ,you would have to be incredibly unlucky to have any consistent congestion.
If you suspect PON congestion, try at a time when there won’t be much activity, late evening or early morning .
Although you have tried somethings to ‘ isolate’ the problem , the most obvious thing to do ( that you haven’t apparently tried ) is use the BT router , without doing that , you haven’t really proved anything , your third party router may great , but even great routers can be mis configured or faulty
Message posted on 27 Jun 2025 10:16 AM
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@Daveyboy1234 Do not know if CF are Gpon or XGpon, but with the Up/Down symmetrical pretty sure they will be XGpon....
Message posted on 27 Jun 2025 10:23 AM
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@Daveyboy1234 wrote:
Also they didn't incorporate the sky q mesh system with that router so assume it may not work as well with the sky q system.
A main Q box receives signal from a Max Hub as it does from any non-Sky router, it's just the Hub itself is no longer part of the Q mesh.
BT Halo 3+ Ultrafast FTTP (500Mbs), BT Smart Hub 2
Message posted on 27 Jun 2025 10:31 AM
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@TimmyBGood Thanks for that, could not understand why for ages that the Max and Q where a complete No No as a pairing from the sky point off view way back in once upon a time!
Message posted on 27 Jun 2025 11:25 AM
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Re: FTTP install in flat - can cable be run along ceiling?
Thank you for the detailed info 🙂
Message posted on 05 Aug 2025 09:12 PM
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Re: FTTP install in flat - can cable be run along ceiling?
With reference to your speed figures. The hub4.2 peaks out at around 600mbps over wifi. You'll get up to 1gbps over ethernet though. Wifi speed tests are super unreliable and inconsistent so I wouldnt be concerned about thr my sky app showing less.
Other things on your network will be hogging some of that speed now that you have so much to share. The more you have the more you have to lose.
If youre bothered about not getting the full 900 then you'd need to upgrade to the max hub which would then eliminate your Q hotspots and your wifi would be provided solely by the hub and not the Q boxes as well. (Due to hub being standalone - does not forn part of Q mesh)
Message posted on 05 Aug 2025 09:19 PM
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@Adam+Fezza Do not expect the Max wi-fi to get you up there either!
Message posted on 05 Aug 2025 10:23 PM
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Thank you. Yes, I've noticed ours maxes out around 550ish over wifi sometimes slightly higher. Which isn't bad at all it's just not what I was expecting when upgrading to 900 but found out after that the hub is some of the reason for that. So that's ok it's plenty fast enough for now 🙂
weirdly though the hubs (sky q mini)actually cause slow down. I assume this is because they max out at a lower bandwidth. In the room with mini switched on, I only get 150-200. Yet if I switch the mini off, it goes up to over 400-450 ish. So seems the mini is bottlenecking the connection.
I know the solution is to run Ethernet but not something I want to do. The WiFi is fine just wish it didn't have slow downs due to other factors.
When ever I've seen user reviews for the newer max router, it seems like it's more unreliable and have seen lots of posts about wifi dropping out whereas the other hub (the one I have) is more stable. I've not had any drop outs on it personally so wouldn't want to 'upgrade' and end up regretting it due to it not being as stable. Prefer a stable unit over one that can achieve slightly faster wifi speeds. But not sure if others have had issues with the max router or if firmware updates over time have cured these issues.
Message posted on 05 Aug 2025 10:30 PM
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@Daveyboy1234 Don't have Max, never will either, any ISP hub that get's SO locked down, requires mobile app to look at it and adjust is not for me, Wi-Fi 6 is fine and dandy but a few bad devices can easilly throw the spanner in the works, and yes you are correct, wireless is only as good as the slowest device/devices Q being without a doubt your fall back! Network is shared, bad sharing = bad speed and stability!
Message posted on 05 Aug 2025 10:30 PM
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Re: FTTP install in flat - can cable be run along ceiling?
The max hub is capable of over 1gbps on WiFi. Ive installed one today on gigafast and my ipad was reading 1.1 on fast.com on wifi. Considering you lose around 10% over wifi, the max hub can output higher speeds.
Message posted on 05 Aug 2025 10:44 PM
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Re: FTTP install in flat - can cable be run along ceiling?
But how stable is it? Have the wifi dropouts that I've seen people having been fixed?
also, does this hub cure the sky q mesh issue where devices will connect to that instead of hub causing speeds of on average 150.
I noticed my tv and Xbox all max out at around 150 as well and I think it's because the main q box is closer to the tv etc than the router is. And seems there's no way to just turn off the wifi hotspot which seems really odd as I don't need hotspots where I am as it slows it all down. Only devices that seem to get good speeds over WiFi for me are the Apple devices. Eg iPhone and Apple TV.
Message posted on 06 Aug 2025 07:49 AM
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Re: FTTP install in flat - can cable be run along ceiling?
- The only way to fully disable the hotspots is to hardwire or change to the hub6 or different ISP.
You can disable 2.4 on all the Q boxes though as they only use the 5ghz to connect to hub and mesh.
If you switch to the hub6 then yes this would resolve the issues you mention as the only source of wifi in your property would be the router. The wifi dropouts you mention is likely due to the wpa setting being set to high. I have the hub6 with only 40mbps and I don't experience any issues with my devices, ring products all work fine and my glass and stream work OK too.
Message posted on 06 Aug 2025 10:37 AM - last edited: 06 Aug 2025 10:38 AM
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Re: FTTP install in flat - can cable be run along ceiling?
Ah ok thanks for this info. So maybe worth getting the hub 6 then for now due to having a faster connection as should then get better connection speeds across the devices I assume. And as you say, will also mean the sky q devices aren't acting as wifi hubs so should hopefully mean the devices are quicker throughout the home.
I did see that Sky are now offering 2.5 and 5gbps download speeds on city fibre network. I checked and it's around £70 for one and £80 for the other so a bit steep and I wouldn't need the speed as such but did see they are offering a wifi7 router with these which is brand new I believe.
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