Sky HDR

[GreenLantern]

@Ultramelon  They'll get around to you. Around 2025. Have patience. "Believe in better". It's a sick joke...

[piotrch]

Cant imagine how most expensive tv in Europe and who knows maybe in the world isnt HDR capable at all and  5 times cheaper Canal+ Poland is...

Will deal with them on wednesday and give them clues how they might replace it...Watched yesterday Fast and furious in UHD on Sky and iTunes in HDR...difference is obvious...from much higher bitrate,Dolby Atmos through HDR...

And now..when it FINALLY will become HDR we are being stuck with laggy SkyQ V1 boes...will definitevly cancel movies as those are on iTunes way better quality and watch HDR movies in Canal+ (like two months earlier than on Sky)

[legofpork]

@GreenLantern 

hlg was trialed on iPlayer as I'm sure you'll all know, with footage from the fa cup final Watford v City, and scenes from planet earth 2 iirc. While the Pq took a few seconds to dial in fully, ime the footage was stunning. Footy fractionally less so you might say, but it was there you could see it. Stunning. Sadly the trial is gone I guess due to COVID and bandwidth etc I guess, so I presume if people could see that they will be able to see sky's version of it, or whatever we'll get. No? 

also, to add to the appreciation of hdr pq, on Netflix, hd or uhd progs can't take the full on laser beam like blasting of pixels from the vivid profile setting. It blows the picture out, you see patches of detail less blobs where half the picture detail is missing esp in dark scenes as you suggest . Even in uhd. BUT...when hdr is available vivid brings the the picture leaping out at you. It's full on hdr in vivid setting and it looks stunning. Absolutely stunning. 
 Vivid might not be for everyone, it's near the setting they use in store to get the tv to look bright and stand out. Bit in hdr. WHAM OH, it s all there. All the detail. All the dark detail. Brilliant.

i did also see some of the bbc reasoning behind their use of HLG. Something to do with the cost in data of broadcasting to so many via internet download or something. Hdr is very tricky to transmit to so many customers all at once I think they said. But HDR HLG is more workable for them. 

thought occurs maybe sky were waiting to see a clue on bbc s trials. 

I am also assuming HDR HLG on bbc is the same thing sky are offering up. And we all know what assumptions are the mother of....

[Jamie+Simms]

There will be an activation hit sent to the boxes to enable HDR all the firmware is already on the boxes that is why it is not a staggered rollout.

Green Lantern- I am hoping that once you see Sky's HDR PL football that you may change your mind as to me from what I have seen of BT's PL HDR content it is not upto what Sky have produced so far.

Movies and drama are very much more difficult to judge as the source material can be so varied and also the style of the director 

[PBS83]

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@legofpork wrote:

@GreenLantern 

hlg was trialed on iPlayer as I'm sure you'll all know, with footage from the fa cup final Watford v City, and scenes from planet earth 2 iirc. While the Pq took a few seconds to dial in fully, ime the footage was stunning. Footy fractionally less so you might say, but it was there you could see it. Stunning. Sadly the trial is gone I guess due to COVID and bandwidth etc I guess, so I presume if people could see that they will be able to see sky's version of it, or whatever we'll get. No? 

also, to add to the appreciation of hdr pq, on Netflix, hd or uhd progs can't take the full on laser beam like blasting of pixels from the vivid profile setting. It blows the picture out, you see patches of detail less blobs where half the picture detail is missing esp in dark scenes as you suggest . Even in uhd. BUT...when hdr is available vivid brings the the picture leaping out at you. It's full on hdr in vivid setting and it looks stunning. Absolutely stunning. 
 Vivid might not be for everyone, it's near the setting they use in store to get the tv to look bright and stand out. Bit in hdr. WHAM OH, it s all there. All the detail. All the dark detail. Brilliant.

i did also see some of the bbc reasoning behind their use of HLG. Something to do with the cost in data of broadcasting to so many via internet download or something. Hdr is very tricky to transmit to so many customers all at once I think they said. But HDR HLG is more workable for them. 

thought occurs maybe sky were waiting to see a clue on bbc s trials. 

I am also assuming HDR HLG on bbc is the same thing sky are offering up. And we all know what assumptions are the mother of....

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HLG iPlayer broadcasts for the FA Cup and Wimbledon didn't do it for me at all. However, Seven Worlds One Planet was stunning in every way.

As for using any TV setting such as vivid - that's not what HDR is all about. It's not meant to make colours 'pop', it's meant to make things more realistic, as the eye would see. Anybody can crank up the contrast for some faux HDR feel but a true HDR picture isn't about that. Even with its wider colour gamut, it's not about brightening the colours, it's about offering wider, more realistic gradients etc.

HLG is simply an alternative standard but specifically created for broadcast. It enables the one file to be used in many different ways and will allow downloads to take place in HDR, SDR, HD etc. If the BBC and NHK hadn't developed HLG, when trying to watch a Sky Q programme in HDR, the user would have to select the file format before it downloaded, i.e. a list of HDR10, UHD, HD. The one HLG file can play in HDR or SDR as applicable to the TV so not only does it make things a lot easier for the end-user but it also saves on a ton of server storage at Sky's end. Virtually all broadcasters that have implemented HDR around the world have adopted the HLG as their primary format.

[PBS83]

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@Jamie+Simms wrote:

There will be an activation hit sent to the boxes to enable HDR all the firmware is already on the boxes that is why it is not a staggered rollout.

Green Lantern- I am hoping that once you see Sky's HDR PL football that you may change your mind as to me from what I have seen of BT's PL HDR content it is not upto what Sky have produced so far.

Movies and drama are very much more difficult to judge as the source material can be so varied and also the style of the director 

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BT use HDR10 as their format and it will give a brighter image than Sky's PL coverage. One of the major downsides to HLG HDR is that it requires a very high nit count or it looks extremely dull.

I can guarantee that HDR is activated, there will be an abundance of people asking why it looks like the content was filmed at dusk. I imagine that's why they've taken so long to implement it as it was the biggest complaint of the BBC's coverage and of other broadcasters around the world. The simple answer is that it's only as good as your TV's peak luminance, which is why HLG HDR will never be the same experience for everybody.

[Daniel-UK]

HLG HDR Is Better i think

[Super+Anthony]

@Aiden. If it's false, does that mean we are ok? Mine says false like you

[legofpork]

@PBS83 

absa flipping lately, but you miss my point, that being the hdr and hdr hlg can fully take the vivid setting where uhd can not. Therefore the later does not have the detail( whatever that detail is ) in the picture in the first place, wher hdr oppsing well does , and then some. 

weather the watcher chooses to use the vivid setting is up to you/them/us. See. ? 🙂

I did say vivid is not for everyone. It's merely that hdr will take it, readily. (From what I've seen anyway) 

[Aiden.]

@Super+Anthony 

No, you would want it to say true. But if as other posters say, an activation signal is being sent, it may well say true after that on your box if it's suitable. I think mine is too old as I had in installed a week after Q launch, it was very early.

[Super+Anthony]

@Aiden. I reach sky and they told me I have the new 2TB UHD box. I can watch UHD stuff

[orbitalwalsh]

And for those of us with Sky's sound box .... Does it support HDR Passthrough ? Assuming so 

[lawrenceuk]

So I have the basic sky q 1tb box. This doesn't support uhd, I do however have a uhd TV. Is this box likely to have the hdr feature unlocked or not? Thanks

[Rhonny]

@lawrenceuk

No, HDR is for UHD in 99% of cases. As your box can't support UHD, it won't support HDR.

Unless they intend to broadcast HD HDR which is very rare. There was a Star Trek in 1080 HDR a couple of years ago, but that's the only HD HDR content I'm aware of. 

[Piesarus]

@lawrenceuk  you should find out for sure on the 27th May. It doesn't look good though.