I need vat invoices for my mobile phone

[Garrett50]

I use my sky mobile phone for business and need vatable invoices.

How can I achieve this?

[Mark39]

Sky don't provide mobiles for business use, 

[TimmyBGood]

@Garrett50 

HMRC only requires VAT invoices for business to business transactions.  As @Mark39 indicates, Sky Mobile is not a business telecoms provider and so doesn't separate out VAT even if the subscriber is personally VAT registered.

[RobNoble]

I have the same issue, I have just phoned and spoken to SKY and they are unwilling and unable to provide a VAT breakdown on either billing or on an historical basis.

They confirmed that VAT is part of the bill and I am being charged VAT but they would not provide the details.  I pressed the point that if I am being billed for a service and for a tax then they should be confirming to me what that breakdown is

If you need VAT invoices then SKY is not the provider for you despite being required to provide one if asked for !!!

HMRC Guidance note 700 states

16.6.2 Retailers’ VAT invoices

If you make retail sales, you should give your customer a VAT invoice if asked for one. You may be liable to a financial penalty if you do not issue a VAT invoice when asked to do so by a taxable person.

[TimmyBGood]

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@RobNoble wrote:

You may be liable to a financial penalty if you do not issue a VAT invoice when asked to do so by a taxable person.

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A taxable person is an individual, firm, company and so on who is, or is required to be, registered for VAT  (as defined in the same document)

In this context the Sky Mobile customer is not a taxable person because the contract is not for a business communication service .

That a phone and/or SIM acquired through Sky Mobile might be used for business purposes, or the user is themselves personally VAT registered, is irrelevant: hardware and connectivity is not provided on that basis.

As noted elsewhere, it's reasonably safe to assume that a small army of tax lawyers has perused Sky operations in this area over many years and is prepared to defend their position to HMRC and anyone else.

[Mark39]

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@RobNoble wrote:

I have the same issue, I have just phoned and spoken to SKY and they are unwilling and unable to provide a VAT breakdown on either billing or on an historical basis.

They confirmed that VAT is part of the bill and I am being charged VAT but they would not provide the details.  I pressed the point that if I am being billed for a service and for a tax then they should be confirming to me what that breakdown is

If you need VAT invoices then SKY is not the provider for you despite being required to provide one if asked for !!!

HMRC Guidance note 700 states

16.6.2 Retailers’ VAT invoices

If you make retail sales, you should give your customer a VAT invoice if asked for one. You may be liable to a financial penalty if you do not issue a VAT invoice when asked to do so by a taxable person.

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Business use is excluded in Sky's terms and conditions. They don't provide services for business use unless you have, and pay for Sky for Business. I imagine Sky for Business provide VAT invoices.

[PandJ2020]

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@Mark39 wrote:
I imagine Sky for Business provide VAT invoices.

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They do but don't provide mobile...

[Mark39]

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@PandJ2020 wrote:

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@Mark39 wrote:
I imagine Sky for Business provide VAT invoices.

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They do but don't provide mobile...

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Very true! 

[PKLlewellyn]

This is a huge issue for both business and non business.  Sky is VAT regitered and sells a product with VAT included.  When taken the contract were you told that you will not recieve a invoice showing VAT. ' No' When you were sold or purchased the contract were you told that the phone can only be use as part of non business call? No. You could argue that you have been mis-sold. However, When you sell goods or services, you must do the following work out the VAT-inclusive price using the correct VAT rateshow the VAT information on your invoice - invoices must include your VAT number and display the VAT separatelyshow the transaction in your VAT account - a summary of your VATrecord the amount on your VAT return. This is from the HMRC website.  Furthermore is sky are claim VAT after sales you are allow to request your data . The GDPR gives you the legal right to a Subject Access Request (SAR), allowing you to ask organizations for a copy of your personal data and to understand how and why it's being used. You can make a request in writing or verbally, and the organization must respond without undue delay and at the latest within one month, although this can be extended for complex or numerous requests. You are entitled to know what data is held, where it came from, who it's shared with

[PKLlewellyn]

GDPR gives you the legal right to a Subject Access Request (SAR), allowing you to ask organizations for a copy of your personal data and to understand how and why it's being used. You can make a request in writing or verbally, and the organization must respond without undue delay and at the latest within one month, although this can be extended for complex or numerous requests. You are entitled to know what data is held, where it came from, who it's shared with, and how long it will be stored.  If you are being charged VAT and the information wa the amount VAT charged you can asked how that information was used . 'the vat amount' as a number. By using the your legal right you can request the vat to be shown as information. The information will need to availible for the request

[PandJ2020]

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@PKLlewellyn wrote:

When you were sold or purchased the contract were you told that the phone can only be use as part of non business call? No. You could argue that you have been mis-sold. 

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Top of the contract - "Sky Mobile is a service for the personal use of UK consumers only".

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If you are being charged VAT and the information wa the amount VAT charged you can asked how that information was used . 'the vat amount' as a number. By using the your legal right you can request the vat to be shown as information. The information will need to availible for the request

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Does Sky share your PII when paying the VAT to HMRC?

[PKLlewellyn]

Sky Mobile is a service for the personal use of UK consumers only- this term doesn't exclude from UK tax guidance 

service charging VAT is still liable to UK tax HMRC rules.  VAT being charged at 0% to 20% must be shown on the invoice to the individual or business 

for more information contact HMRC Gov UK 

[Daniel0210]

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@PKLlewellyn wrote:

for more information contact HMRC Gov UK 

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@PKLlewellyn 

We've no need to contact HMRC. We are domestic customers of Sky. 

[MightyQuinn]

Hi @PKLlewellyn   You do know that you are only talking to other customers, not Sky customer services. Nothing can be changed by posting here. Please see Welcome below for information about this community forum.

[PKLlewellyn]

Simple question: 

 Is sky VAT registered or not ? 

Is sky offering a service or goods?