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Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

spannernick1 — Wed, 20 Nov 2024 19:46:55 GMT

So it has all its features Sky Q has so its a option for people with communal dishes in a Block of Flats that is not compatible with Sky Q,
All you need to do is design a Sky Q device that uses Sky Q GUI and uses a hard drive but uses the internet as its satellite dish, its already partly there.
You could call it Sky Q Stream so you know its Sky Q without a dish.

I think Sky Steam should have the same features as Sky Q because it can't record programmes or timeshift live TV, that why I want Sky Q but can't.

I did have Sky Q at my partners flat(been with Sky for 14 years but I join Sky in the 90s, I have a Amstrad SRD400 too... 🙂 First Sky Box with a card slot in it) and that had a communal dish but it was not compatible so got the Sky Engineer to put the dish on the wall instead( I had to sign for it so down to me not the Sky Engineer, that understandable) and had no come back from the council while it was up there for about 5 years, one time they took it down because they were repointing the brick work on the building but gave me the disc back and said its up to you if you put the dish back so I did, the dish is still on the wall now outside her flat, my partner died on the 5th Nov, I am alone now and had to move back to my flat thats not Sky Q compatable.

I am not moning BTW about Sky Q, i like it... 🙂 I just think there should be a verion of Sky Q without a dish and uses the internet as its feed.

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

GD1 — Wed, 20 Nov 2024 19:53:59 GMT

@spannernick1 There is a version of Sky Q without a dish, it's called Sky Stream and they are not going to take a backward step by installing hard drives in devices when they have already spent millions on stream and it's backend network.

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

Bill051 — Wed, 20 Nov 2024 21:11:21 GMT

Am I wrong to think it's not just a streaming service? It seems to be
1) live TV system
2) on-demand TV system through apps
3) "recording" through the playlst system
The first two are reliable, the third one can be iffy.
When watching programs live from the TV guide would it be possible for customers to record that signal to their own PVRs if there was a connection on the hub?

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

Exiled-in-HH — Wed, 20 Nov 2024 21:43:50 GMT

Content creators lost control of their creations because of VCRs and PVRs ... they will not want to return to that situation🤔

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

TimmyBGood — Wed, 20 Nov 2024 22:09:28 GMT

@spannernick1

That's not going to happen: as @Exiled-in-HH indicates, it's in the interest of the media creators and their distribution platforms to not deploy local storage, because then we have to keep subscribing.

It's perhaps worth remembering that broadcast+ storage is a 1980s concept significantly pre-dating widespread internet availability, and we're a long way beyond that now.

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

spannernick1 — Wed, 20 Nov 2024 22:33:49 GMT

If there could add a USB port on the back of the box, you could then do timeshifting live TV like the £20 PVR boxes on eBay, I have one and use a SDcard 32GB and SD Card reader with it so I can pause live TV (Timeshift), so you use a USB Stick or SD Card and reader in place of the hard drive.

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

spannernick1 — Wed, 20 Nov 2024 22:37:36 GMT

Maybe why the Sky Q box has a USB port on the back of it so you add space for recording by adding a USB Stick if the space runs out on the hard drive, it could be used for that.

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

GD1 — Wed, 20 Nov 2024 22:57:16 GMT

@spannernick1 The USB on the Q box was never intended for that and has no use, thety simply won't add it now to a 3 year old stream device.

As already explained by @TimmyBGood streaming is the way it has gone local recording is out.

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

TimmyBGood — Wed, 20 Nov 2024 23:04:01 GMT

@spannernick1

The USB port on Q is almost certainly for manufacturing and refurbishment purposes.

Comcast/Sky would never approve that kind of ad-hoc storage option, and has no business incentive to do so. PVRs were wonderful in their day, but that day has come and gone: remember there's now a generation of users who've never needed to store their media.

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

Exiled-in-HH — Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:13:51 GMT

There is no need to add a USB port ... they could include large internal buffer ... BUT would be major change in concept😉

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

Bill051 — Thu, 21 Nov 2024 11:45:00 GMT

Concepts do change. Streaming is the big thing for music, but people still buy vinyl records and CDs, even casssettes.

I recently learned how to digitize a thirty year old VHS tape.

Would the concept of retaining customers who wanted to record shows that are only available.for a short time be attractive.

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

MarkGoldsmith — Thu, 21 Nov 2024 12:20:04 GMT

@Bill051 wrote:
Concepts do change. Streaming is the big thing for music, but people still buy vinyl records and CDs, even casssettes.
I recently learned how to digitize a thirty year old VHS tape.
Would the concept of retaining customers who wanted to record shows that are only available.for a short time be attractive.

Thats different.

Recording music for free off of the radio is the equivalent of being able to record TV shows to a hard drive.

The musicians and producers of the music get money from the sales of Vinyl, CDs, cassettes etc, which is the same in the TV industry for sales of DVDs, Blu rays or VHS.

In essence the broadcasting industry is catching up with the music industry and moving to the same model, you need to be pay to be able to watch/listen to content, whether that is via a subscription to a service or via purchasing a digital or physical copy of the media ( all of which gurantees the creators and owners of the content actually get paid for it).

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

TimmyBGood — Thu, 21 Nov 2024 12:54:50 GMT

@Bill051 wrote:

Would the concept of retaining customers who wanted to record shows that are only available.for a short time be attractive.

Not to the rights owners, who are typically those who paid for production in the first place: they'd much rather continuously monetise their product through subscription revenue. While Sky Group makes a (very small) number of original productions, it's primarily a distributor and its platform needs to reflect that.

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

Exiled-in-HH — Thu, 21 Nov 2024 12:41:07 GMT

@Bill051 wrote:
Concepts do change. Streaming is the big thing for music, but people still buy vinyl records and CDs, even casssettes.
I recently learned how to digitize a thirty year old VHS tape.
Would the concept of retaining customers who wanted to record shows that are only available.for a short time be attractive.

Is your suggestion ... content that will never be available on-demand, i.e. broadcast only once or on-demand for week, should contain meta data to allowing recording for later viewing ... how much would you pay for such a facility?

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

Bill051 — Thu, 21 Nov 2024 14:48:39 GMT

Personally I wouldn't pay more. I'm thinking of something like "Match of the day" which is available for a week. On Virgin I could record and pick which ones I wanted to keep. I suppose the same applies on sky Q? This season I am recording it on my Humax.

Is there a difference in the sgnal that comes down Sky's and Virgin's wires?

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

Exiled-in-HH — Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:38:25 GMT

Sky can't control the BBC policy on on-demand content access... the BBC does not allow cloud recording of this content🤔

Recording of OTA broadcasts and cable broadcasts are legacy from the past ... both are may not possible in not to distant future😉

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

Jporch316 — Thu, 21 Nov 2024 18:49:55 GMT

@Bill051 wrote:
Personally I wouldn't pay more. I'm thinking of something like "Match of the day" which is available for a week. On Virgin I could record and pick which ones I wanted to keep. I suppose the same applies on sky Q? This season I am recording it on my Humax.
Is there a difference in the sgnal that comes down Sky's and Virgin's wires?

You ll find Virgin are slowly moving towards the streaming platform with their (newish) stream box. I would imagine very soon they will begin phasing out their (rather outdated) 360 pvr boxes

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

Ellie_TV — Thu, 21 Nov 2024 18:58:51 GMT

Yeah, everything's going the way of the stream... give it another few years and we'll start to see the phasing out of DTT and Freesat tuners on all smart TVs. There'll be no option other than Freely for free-to-air viewing. The ability to record in the traditional sense will disappear.

Maybe eventually we'll see Sky try to partner up with some TV manufacturers to offer their own Entertainment OS built into a Samsung, Sony or LG TV? That would be very cool.

Re: Idea: Making Sky Stream like Sky Q

spannernick1 — Fri, 22 Nov 2024 17:59:59 GMT

I just got Sky Stream devivered instead of Sky Q, shame but Sky Stream is just as good, It does have Timeshifing on its live TV, I tested it with ITV1, it sometimes jumps but that because I have to use my phone as the router(a Hotspot)atm, if the phone is to far a way from the puck it stats to malke the picture jump(so picture stops for a second then the sound stops then it plays again like its jumping a frame), waiting for Sky Broadband on the 26 to be turned on, I got the new router now.
First time I used Sky Stream, it would of been better if it had the same interface as Sky Q and had the options on the left of the screen,(TV Guide , Catchup..etc) it just show a load of programes on the screen, it looks a bit like the Amazon Fire Stick GUI, to much really, but people copy people.. 🙂 I still think it should look like Sky Q, I love its GUI... 🙂 I remeber when Sky Box had no GUI or TV Guide, Sky Plus intoduced the TV Guide, it was the best thing Sky made.. 🙂 anyone remeber the Sky Open keyboard, it was blue... ?.. 🙂

The remote needs a source button like on Sky Q remote. bottom left, you can't change the source on the TV, HDMI1, HDMI2..etc... so to change it I have to use the SKY Q remote, werid... 🙂