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Edited scenes

Lisaj47 — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 00:40:39 GMT

I'm watching Grimm on demand. These are PIN protected programmes. I was wondering why the slightly more gruesome scenes were edited out. I could understand if it was general viewing, but surely if a programming is PIN protected the full episode should be included. It does detract from the story line.

Re: Edited scenes

caesarome — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 05:55:05 GMT

@Lisaj47

The Viewer Relations team are Sky are the people to ask about this, they can be contacted via thie email address - viewerR@sky.uk

Re: Edited scenes

ozsat — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 07:43:50 GMT

I agree that if a programme is PIN protected then they should not be editing it further - but it keeps someone in a job 😉

At what time was the programme as I could understand some mild edits if the original is an 18 show but they are airing a 15 version?

@Lisaj47 wrote:
I'm watching Grimm on demand. These are PIN protected programmes. I was wondering why the slightly more gruesome scenes were edited out. I could understand if it was general viewing, but surely if a programming is PIN protected the full episode should be included. It does detract from the story line.

Re: Edited scenes

nolte — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 08:09:08 GMT

Someone else raised this question

Under ofcom rules, even with pin protection a programme rated 18 may not be suitable for broadcast before 9pm so the edits for broadcast before 9pm (is that 6pm) is to bring them under ofcom rules

Re: Edited scenes

ozsat — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 08:54:13 GMT

That why I asked what time the programme was as the original post was late at night.

Broadcasters seem to enjoy editing bits out of programmes - especially UKTV - and sometimes there is little logic when looking at missing bits and bits left in.

@nolte wrote:
Someone else raised this question

Under ofcom rules, even with pin protection a programme rated 18 may not be suitable for broadcast before 9pm so the edits for broadcast before 9pm (is that 6pm) is to bring them under ofcom rules

Re: Edited scenes

Lisaj47 — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 10:00:50 GMT

It doesn't seem to matter what time I watch the programme. It's always edited. I wonder if it is related to the time the show was originally aired? Just very annoying

Re: Edited scenes

LGUser — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 10:07:11 GMT

@Lisaj47Are the versions available from Catch-Up edited?

Re: Edited scenes

TimmyBGood — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 10:44:13 GMT

@Lisaj47 wrote:

It doesn't seem to matter what time I watch the programme. It's always edited.

If that's the version provided to distributors by the rights-owner, then that's the one which is going to be shown. A distributor can't arbitrarily restore 'missing' sections.

In some cases, two versions circulate forever, and sometimes get mixed up: the legendary example is the 'television' version of 'Goodfellas' edited for language by Scorsese himself that has on occasion inadvertently been replaced by the theatrical cut.

Re: Edited scenes

JonD1492 — Mon, 22 Nov 2021 15:42:53 GMT

If it's of any help: GRIMM is broadcast at 6pm. The versions being broadcast right now, are edited for their timeslot. The PIN-locking is because the show is very edgy, even in its cut version, and many of the episodes are 15 rated by the BBFC. The PIN-locking is to alert parents that the show may not be suitable for youngsters, even its cut form.

It is NOT the same as (for example) Sky Atlantic, who broadcast uncut versions of some of their shows during daytime hours, like THE SOPRANOS, or OZ, etc, which are PIN-locked for everyone.

Re: Edited scenes

Timelord2018 — Mon, 29 Nov 2021 00:04:24 GMT

Are the scenes edited on the Peacock version of Grimm ?

Re: Edited scenes

JonD1492 — Tue, 30 Nov 2021 13:43:14 GMT

1) If a programme is PIN-protected, it's purely to make parents aware that there's something in the show that means it isn't suitable for under-18's to watch. It does NOT, however, mean that the PIN-protected show is uncut/unedited.

2) Not all PIN-protected shows are complete and uncut. Every channel uses the PIN-protection system differently, based on the programme being protected and the likely/intended audience. Some channels PIN-protect content, that is uncut/unedited (like Sky Atlantic). Some PIN-protect only adult shows that need it. And others PIN-protect based on a programme-by-programme basis, regardless of the channel's broadcast time slots.

3) As mentioned in another thread on this same topic. my understanding is that GRIMM is mostly a 15 certificate show, with a few that have been given 18's for very gory violence. When originally broadcast, it was put in a 9pm/10pm timeslot, as it was clearly unsuitable for under-15's/under-18's.

In later times, it's been broadcast with some trims/edits at 8pm, but there is also a more family-friendly edit, that is being shown at 6pm. This removes almost all of the gore, a lot of the strongest violence, and tones down the shock/scare factor substantially, to render it suitable for an early-evening slot. However, that doesn't mean the show is being aimed at, or intended to be viewed, by children.

In this case, Sky Max (the channel it's being aired on now) have decided that they want to maximise the viewers watching it, in the same way the BBC and Channel 4 tried to do with similar shows to GRIMM, like BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER and ANGEL. But, just as occured with both of those shows as well, edits were needed to make them suitable for early-evenings.

Such is the case with GRIMM.

This is clearly an editorial choice by Sky Max, and because they are aiming this at teens/young adults under 18, they've decided that only the cut/as-broadcast versions are going to be put on the Catch-Up service, so that if kids do see the show, the edited versions won't contain anything that should cause upset, as the show is PIN-protected.

Again, this is a channel decision. Just as with QUANTUM LEAP, GRIMM is easily available to buy on DVD and Blu-Ray, for those who want to see it uncut and as originally meant to be viewed.

Viewers need to understand, that just because a show is being shown early (pre-Watershed) and PIN-protected, doesn't mean that a channel is going to make the uncut versions available. You may not like this. You may think it's silly, or pointless. But this is how the channel has chosen to air this show, right now.

Should anyone wish to complain about this, then the best bet, is to get in touch with Sky directly, either via e-mail or telephone, and put your complaint to the channel itself - which is what I do. It's the best solution. If the channel gets sufficient complaints, they may change things. (Channels do listen, in general, to what viewers say.)

I hope that helps.

Re: Edited scenes

Timelord2018 — Wed, 08 Dec 2021 14:42:20 GMT

Grimm will be getting a repeat showing on Syfy from 4th of January at 9pm , will be interesting to see if those episodes are cut by Sky or not.

Re: Edited scenes

TimmyBGood — Thu, 09 Dec 2021 15:03:35 GMT

@Timelord2018

For a broadcast after 21:00 one would hope not, but then it depends on the channel both having access to an uncut version and knowing enough about the difference to care.

There's a 'TV edit' of the classic film Callan (1974) that sometimes gets broadcast after the watershed which manages to remove the crucial scene that the entire film is leading up to and renders the whole thing almost entirely pointless, which is rather a shame as it is up there with Get Carter (1971) as a piece of British noir.

Re: Edited scenes

LGUser — Thu, 09 Dec 2021 16:36:50 GMT

@TimmyBGood wrote:
@Timelord2018

For a broadcast after 21:00 one would hope not, but then it depends on the channel both having access to an uncut version and knowing enough about the difference to care.

There's a 'TV edit' of the classic film Callan (1974) that sometimes gets broadcast after the watershed which manages to remove the crucial scene that the entire film is leading up to and renders the whole thing almost entirely pointless, which is rather a shame as it is up there with Get Carter (1971) as a piece of British noir.

There's an edited version of the movie Hilander that basically spoils the movie.

Re: Edited scenes

rscott — Fri, 10 Dec 2021 09:19:46 GMT

@LGUser wrote:

@TimmyBGood wrote:

@Timelord2018

For a broadcast after 21:00 one would hope not, but then it depends on the channel both having access to an uncut version and knowing enough about the difference to care.

There's a 'TV edit' of the classic film Callan (1974) that sometimes gets broadcast after the watershed which manages to remove the crucial scene that the entire film is leading up to and renders the whole thing almost entirely pointless, which is rather a shame as it is up there with Get Carter (1971) as a piece of British noir.

There's an edited version of the movie Hilander that basically spoils the movie.

Must be heavily edited if they've even cut 2 characters from the film's title 😀

Re: Edited scenes

JonD1492 — Fri, 10 Dec 2021 09:24:18 GMT

Well, it's a good job the BBC are showing HIGHLANDER over Christmas, in what must be the uncut version. 😂

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TimmyBGood — Fri, 10 Dec 2021 12:56:05 GMT

I believe it's Highlander II: The Quickening which is most notorious for having two very different edits, to the extent that they are essentially not the same movie at all but get broadcast using the one title.

Re: Edited scenes

LGUser — Fri, 10 Dec 2021 16:57:54 GMT

@TimmyBGood wrote:
I believe it's Highlander II: The Quickening which is most notorious for having two very different edits, to the extent that they are essentially not the same movie at all but get broadcast using the one title.

With Highlander (unless I am wrong and it is II), they edited the big fight scene.That spoiled the move.

Re: Edited scenes

LGUser — Fri, 10 Dec 2021 17:46:44 GMT

Yes it is Highlander that I was thinking of. You can read about the mess that ws made of this movie.