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Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

simba1212 — Tue, 18 Aug 2020 18:15:38 GMT

Hi,

There is a Draytek Vigor 166 modem which can be used in bridge mode and there is a UK version coming soon which supports G.Fast.

What i noticed with ultrafast broadband, is that the phone line has to be connected to the sky hub, is there a way i can still use another modem while still being able to have the phone line and internet active?

Or can i simply use the sky hub and leave the phone line connected to it, while using a different modem for internets sake?

Cheers

Re: Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

TimmyBGood — Tue, 18 Aug 2020 19:37:54 GMT

@simba1212

I doubt either of those will work, but no-one has had 'Ultrafast' from Sky over G.fast for long enough to know.

Re: Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

simba1212 — Tue, 18 Aug 2020 20:37:10 GMT

Any reason why it wouldn't work? The vigor 130 works as long as the router has dhcp option 61, so i assume the 166 will work.

The only confusing part is the phone line connected to the hub, does the phone line still work if the internet cable is disconnected?

Re: Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

TimmyBGood — Tue, 18 Aug 2020 20:55:16 GMT

@simba1212 wrote:

The only confusing part is the phone line connected to the hub, does the phone line still work if the internet cable is disconnected?

There is no 'phone line' any more: the copper from the G.fast pod to your address is a data bearer carrying VOIP traffic from the Hub amongst everything else. Once you are on that technology, it's best to forget other concepts.

While it should be quite possible to use an alternative router for internet access, including non-Sky VOIP, it's unlikely you will be able to get the bundled Sky Talk over VOIP to function if the Hub isn't the authenticating device.

Re: Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

simba1212 — Wed, 19 Aug 2020 19:11:40 GMT

Ahh i see thank you, that clears up some things for me.

So will Il not be able to use an alternate router without the VOIP phone working? If not, im guessing it will be a double NAT issue if i do decide to connect another router into the hub?

Secondly, would connecting the sky router to the chosen router via ethernet, then have the other router connecting to the vigor modem work? That way the router is getting internet, while the sky hub will also gain connection but will only be usedfor the VOIP phone, and it will be connected via ethernet to the router?

If not, im guessing the hub will require the internet connection directly for the Voip to work? Also im not sure if the hub would even recieve an internet connection when connected to another router.

Many scenrios yet to be experimented with

Re: Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

Maxrb123 — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 15:13:26 GMT

@simba1212

Hi there, I've set up Draytek 166 not bridge and netgear r7800 x4s.
Works fine during day but at around 1am the line 1 dsl connection seems to go red and takes a reboot to fix it.
I'm trying to work out what could be causing this but not had much hope so far. But apart from this it is great. So much better coverage around my house.

Re: Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

Stuvennn — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 23:17:33 GMT

Hi @simba1212 , did you manage to fix this in the end?

Re: Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

Maxrb123 — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 23:45:25 GMT

Hi @Stuvennn

I sent it back in the end, was all working fine, I've put it down to RAIN or SHINE noise where I live as my sky router seems to be able to reconnect on, the sky hub seems to reconnect without dropout around that time at night.

Sorry I can't help.

I've now found that you can put the sky hub in DSL mode and turn off WiFi then cable to my Netgear router able to run in router mode and everything is good.

Re: Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

Clarkyy — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 09:26:12 GMT

Hi Max,

Just had ultrafast installed and have been tearing my hair out trying to use my Asus router as an access point, there are massive DHCP problems with the SR204. Can you confirm if I put the router [SR204] into DSL mode I can then connect my router without NAT issues or the like and use the Asus DHCP? I dont need the VOIP as my landline hasnt been used in years.

Many thanks

Re: Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

Maxrb123 — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 10:23:36 GMT

Hi @Clarkyy

Yeah that's right, I've got the sr204 in DSL mode and turned off the 2.4 and 5 WiFi and my Netgear r7800 Is in router mode, works absolutely fine not had a problem, speeds are as should be as well.

My knowledge isn't the greatest but all seems to be fine!

Hope this helps!

Re: Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

Clarkyy — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 10:27:04 GMT

@Maxrb123 Thanks mate. I done a bit of research and Im going to buy a Draytek 166 Modem and put the sky router in a box in a cold dark place.

Many thanks

Re: Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

Clarkyy — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 10:30:41 GMT

@Maxrb123

Max you say you setup the Draytek 166 in "not bridged" mode? Are you sure, as it should be setup in bridged mode.

Re: Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

Maxrb123 — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 10:43:44 GMT

Hi @Clarkyy ,

If im absolutely honest with you I can't remember now. I got so frustrated with it I think I tried it In both modes.

I would be cautious as Draytek UK still say the EU model won't work over here properly. Not sure about this gen 2 model though. I'd drop draytek support an email and get their opinion on it.

DO NOT BUY FROM SOTEL ELECTRONIC, via Amazon, they didn't give me a refund anywhere near how much it cost and didn't cover my p&p eventhough their returns policy says that they will.

Re: Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

Clarkyy — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 10:48:58 GMT

@Maxrb123

No worries mate. Im pretty sure they will now work with UK ISP's

The DrayTek Vigor 166 modem connects to G.fast and VDSL connections, for full performance with Ultrafast and Superfast FTTC (Fibre to the Cabinet) services. Connect your Ethernet-based firewall or router to Ultrafast and Superfast broadband, simply by adding in the Vigor 166 modem. The DrayTek Vigor 166 operates as a full-bridge straight out of the box and is pre-configured to work with most UK DSL connections, with no configuration needed on the modem itself. Support for Vectoring, G.INP and VDSL2 35b SuperVectoring, ensures full compatibility with UK VDSL and G.fast networks.

So fingers crossed

Re: Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

kevinhardowar — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:40:42 GMT

i'm about to do the same, just upgraded to Ultrafast and been using Asus AC68U. Intend to configure sky hub to DSL mode, disable DHCP, then connect my Asus router to one of the LAN ports on the hub... it will manage all traffic. Will that work ?

Re: Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

Maxrb123 — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:44:06 GMT

@kevinhardowar

You shouldn't have any problems doing it that way

Re: Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

TimmyBGood — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:03:55 GMT

@Maxrb123 wrote:

@kevinhardowar

You shouldn't have any problems doing it that way

Possibly apart from Sky Talk using VOIP from the Hub?

Re: Ultrafast broadband G.Fast alternate modems?

lqid — Fri, 06 Aug 2021 16:40:38 GMT

Hi @Maxrb123

May I ask how could you get the sr204 in DSL mode? I can't find that option. And how could you find the username and password when setting the Netgear router?

Thank you