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Sky HDR

planearm — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:03:41 GMT

Since we have more Sky employees here atm, any news on when Sky will be showing HDR programmes?

Re: Sky HDR

Paulonthetelly — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:10:35 GMT

@planearm The Q box is not capable of dealing with HDR . The minis cannot do UHD or HDR

Re: Sky HDR

Stoofa — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:33:14 GMT

Sky said earlier this year that the HDR upgrade for their boxes is delayed until at least the first part of 2021. HDR is a bigger game changer than 4k alone, but alas.

Re: Sky HDR

mike+simmonds — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:30:30 GMT

Hi @planearm

What Hi-fi wrote about this

https://www.whathifi.com/news/sky-delays-hdr-tv-update-until-late-2020

Re: Sky HDR

bob1234 — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:47:50 GMT

For a short while the spec for the new 1TB UHD box showed that it was capable of HDR.

I don't know if that was a mistake or an admission that only that box is.

Re: Sky HDR

EndTVLicenceTax — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 15:05:53 GMT

I have been reading up about HDR and repeatedly come across the following (or words to this effect) in relation to being able to view content in HDR:

"must be HDMI 2.0a for HDR to work. As in, your TV, receiver and source all have to be HDMI 2.0a, and usually require HDCP 2.2 copy protection too."

Note: This wording is credited to a US website called SCREENBEAM but many technical sites (whathifi/techradar/etc.) say something similar.

Does anyone know what the sky q boxes have in the way of HDMI connectivity in that regard?

I read somewhere that my Sky q 2 tb box was HDMI1.4 with HDCP2.2 but that would appear to be at odds with the above stated information.

Re: Sky HDR

Paulonthetelly — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 15:43:41 GMT

@EndTVLicenceTax , Sky not HDR compatible at this time. Their hardware and software does not meet the technical requirements, it's been mentioned multiple times in this forum.

Re: Sky HDR

bob1234 — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 15:55:09 GMT

@Paulonthetelly For a brief while the spec for the 1TB UHD box showed it was HDR, whether this was accidental or premature I know not.

Re: Sky HDR

EndTVLicenceTax — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:02:47 GMT

@Paulonthetelly Many thanks for that much appreciated.

So just to confirm, no current sky boxes meet the minimum HDMI standard requirements for HDR?

That certainly helps explain why Sky has delayed the rollout of HDR since 2017/2018. It would mean telling all existing customers their sat based boxes are incompatible and will need upgrading. Can you imagine the outcry?

The trouble is that without HDR and Dolby Vision support, the sky q platform just becomes a smaller part of the overall tv viewing experience.

Don't get me wrong, I love my sky q and will not be getting rid of it any time soon. However, others may feel differently, especially when monthly cost is taken into account.

Personally I think this plays into the hands of those speculators who believe Sky will (shortly) move to a solely internet driven platform for all new customers. Leaving the satellite service to whither on the vine. Saving themselves a fortune in the long run I am sure.

Re: Sky HDR

bob1234 — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:06:27 GMT

@Paulonthetelly wrote:
@EndTVLicenceTax , Sky not HDR compatible at this time. Their hardware and software does not meet the technical requirements, it's been mentioned multiple times in this forum.

@Paulonthetelly It has been speculated many times that existing equipment will not support HDR but no one actually knows, none of the information comes from Sky.

Re: Sky HDR

Paulonthetelly — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:05:34 GMT

@bob1234 , you are right of course but Sky said at Q launch that they were working on a solution.... hmm, my minis cannot even work without a booster or get me UHD but I can buy a plug in device for £30 that will give me access to UHD and HDR. Remind me Amazon, Netflix, Disney, Apple what are the picture formats available today... Sky are do far behind technology wise. Don't get me wrong as I have a great deal and I can access all the others by TV apps but it is laughable what minis & q can actually do.

Re: Sky HDR

EndTVLicenceTax — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 23:16:22 GMT

@bob1234 According to those who genuinely know about these things, the HDMI interface standard (2.0a or greater) needed for HDR is the HDMI interface standard that both sending and receiving hardware have to meet. No ifs, no buts no maybes and definitely no speculation required. It really is that simple.

If at point of manufacture of their hardware boxes Sky does not include the components necessary to support the HDMI interface standard required for HDR, those who genuinely know about these things say it is not something that can subsequently be attained by an upgrade via a FW update.

The key here is the word “components” because if Sky have in fact installed the components necessary to attain the HDMI standard required for HDR, then in theory that is something Sky could subsequently “switched on” via a FW update.

The question I would have is why on earth would Sky include in their hardware boxes the components necessary to support the HDMI standard required for HDR...... but then state it is only HDMI1.4 within the specifications for that hardware box? Even if HDCP 2.2 is tacked on the end for UHD purposes.....

That makes absolute no sense whatsoever from a marketing point of view, especially when you take into account the fact that those who know about these things say each HDMI standard can support previous HDMI standards. If compatibility was in fact an issue for Sky.

No speculation required, just facts.

Re: Sky HDR

Chrisee — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 04:37:45 GMT

@EndTVLicenceTax The specs published in 2016 at the launch are no longer relevant. The Orginal 1TB boxes and All Q minis are not UHD capable therefore still run HDCP 1.4 as that standard is required for HD signals. The v1 2TB boxes were upgradable - it happened in June 2016 - and then offered both HDCP 1.4 and HDCP2.0 depending on the video output selected in readiness for the launch of UHD in August 2016. These boxes are suspected not to be HDR compliant - not confirmed by Sky but highly likely as their design was finalised before HDR capable chips were in production.

Around early 2018 (that date maybe wrong) a v2 of the Sky 2TB box was released - it has a separate power supply - and different video chips as evidenced by a number of issues with some TVs. It is thought this box is HDR ready but again nothing official. Last year a new range of boxes started to appear where both the 1 and 2TB boxes supported UHD and Sky confirmed they are HDR ready.

All Q boxes use HDCP 1.4 when outputting at HD resolutions and those capable of UHD use HDCP2.0 when set to 2160p whether upscaling or outputting UHD material. This can be easily checked with suitable equipment.

As Sky say little officially about their plans for HDR and anyone who knows more is barred from saying anything due to NDAs.

Re: Sky HDR

Rhonny — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:38:01 GMT

@Chrisee

This thread has been crying out for knowledgeable input.

Re: Sky HDR

Chrisee — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:51:38 GMT

@Rhonny thanks.

Re: Sky HDR

Paulonthetelly — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:55:42 GMT

@Rhonny , you are right of course but I do not believe Sky will update us anytime soon

Re: Sky HDR

rscott — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:57:29 GMT

To add to @Chrisee 's accurate comments, Sky Q in Italy (which uses a virtually identical box to the v2) has been HDR for over a year.

Re: Sky HDR

Rhonny — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:57:35 GMT

@Paulonthetelly

Nor do they need to. They've already said their HDR plans won't be revealed until at least late 2020. There is no further update to expect, and so speculation will not be a worthwhile exercise.

Re: Sky HDR

Paulonthetelly — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 07:01:56 GMT

@Rhonny, so fair to say that as Sky stayed they were developing/rolling out HDR in 2016 but that's now likely to be 2021... so only 5 years. They were never in a position to deliver it.

Re: Sky HDR

bob1234 — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 07:55:03 GMT

@EndTVLicenceTax The latest specs I could find for the 1TB UHD box makes no reference to HDMI 1.4 only HDMI 2.0

1TB UHD specifications.